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”In Cold Blood” is remarkable for its objectivity – nowhere, despite his involvement, does the author intrude. In the following interview, done a few weeks ago, Truman Capote, presents his own views on the case, its principals, and in particular he discussed the new literary art form which he calls the nonfiction novel. . .
Why did you select the particular subject matter of murder; had you previously been interested in crime?
Not really, no. During the last years I’ve learned a good deal about crime, and the origins of the homicidal mentality. Still, it is a layman’s knowledge and I don’t pretend to anything deeper. The motivating factor in my choice of material – that it, choosing to write a true account of an actual murder case – was altogether literary. The decision was based on a theory I’ve harbored since I first began to write professionally, which is well over 20 years ago. It seemed to me that journalism, reportage, could be forced to yield a serious new art form; the “nonfiction novel,” as I thought of it. Several admirable reporters – Rebecca West for one, and Joseph Mitchell and Lillian Ross – have shown the possibilities of narrative reportage; and Miss Ross, in her brilliant “Picture,” achieved at least a nonfiction novella. Still, on the whole, journalism is the most underestimated, the least explored of literary mediums.
Why should that be so?
Because few first-class creative writers have ever bothered with journalism, except as a sideline, “hackwork,” something to be done when the creative spirit is lacking, or as a means of making money quickly. Such writers say in effect: Why should we trouble with factual writing when we’re able to invent our own stories, contrive our own characters and themes? – journalism is only literary photography, and unbecoming to the serious writer’s artistic dignity.
Another deterrent – and not the smallest – is that the reporter, unlike the fantasist has to deal with actual people who have real names. If they feel maligned, or just contrary, or greedy, they enrich lawyers (though rarely themselves) by instigating libel actions. This last is certainly a factor to consider a most oppressive and repressive one. Because it’s indeed difficult to portray, in any meaningful degree, and often for quite trifling cause, offending him. The truth seems to be that no one likes to see himself described as he is, or cares to see exactly set down what he said and did. Well, even I can understand that – because I don’t like it myself when I am the sitter and not the portraitist: the frailty of egos! – and the more accurate the strokes, the greater the resentment.
When I first formed my theories concerning the nonfiction novel, many people with whom I discussed the matter were unsympathetic. They felt that what I proposed, a narrative form that employed all the techniques of fictional art but was nevertheless immaculately factual, was little more than a literary solution for fatigued novelists suffering from “failure of imagination.” Personally, I felt that this attitude represented a “failure of imagination” on their part.
Of course a properly done piece of narrative reporting requires imagination! – and a good deal of special technical equipment that is usually beyond the resources – and I don’t doubt the interests – of most fictional writers: an ability to transcribe verbatim long conversations, and to do so without taking notes or using tape-recordings. Also, it is necessary to have a 20/20 eye for visual detail – in this sense, it is quite true that one must be a “literary photographer,” though an exceedingly selective one. But, above all, the reporter must be able to empathize with personalities outside his usual imaginative range, mentalities unlike his own, kinds of people he would never have written about had he not been forced to by encountering them inside the journalistic situation. This last is what first attracted me to the notion of narrative reportage.
It seems to me that most contemporary novelists, especially the Americans and the French, are too subjective, mesmerized by private demons; they’re enraptured by their novels, and confined by a view that ends with their own toes. If I were naming names, I’d name myself among others. At any rate, I did at one time feel an artistic need to escape my self-created world. I wanted to exchange it, creatively speaking, for the everyday objective world we all inhabit. Not that I’d never written nonfiction before – I kept journals, and had published a small truthful book of travel impressions: “Local Color.” But I had never attempted an ambitious piece of reportage until 1956, when I wrote “The Muses Are Heard,” an account of the first theatrical cultural exchange between the U.S.A. and the U.S.S.R. – that is, the “Progy and Bess” tour of Russia. It was published in The New Yorker, the only magazine I know of that encourages the serious practitioners of this art form. Later, I contributed a few other reportorial finger-exercises to the same magazine. Finally, I felt equipped and ready to undertake a full-scale narrative – in other words, a “nonfiction novel.”
How does John Hersey’s “Hiroshima” or Oscar Lewis’s “Children of Sanchex” compare with “the nonfiction novel”?
The Oscar Lewis book is a documentary, a job of editing from tapes, and however skillful and moving, it is not creative writing. “Hiroshima” is creative – in the sense that Hersey isn’t taking something off a tape-recorder and editing it – but it still hasn’t got anything to do with what I’m talking about. “Hiroshima” is a strict classical journalistic piece. What is closer is what Lillian Ross did with “Picture.” Or my own book, “The Muses Are Heard” – which uses the techniques of the comic short novel.
It was natural that I should progress from that experiment, and get myself in much deeper water. I read in the paper the other day that I had been quoted as saying that reporting is now more interesting than fiction. Now that’s not what I said, and it’s important to me to get this straight. What I think is that reporting can be made as interesting as fiction, and done as artistically – underlining those two “as”es. I don’t mean to say that one is a superior form to the other. I feel that creative reportage has been neglected and has great, relevance to 20th-century writing. And while it can be an artistic outlet for the creative writer, it has never been particularly explored.
What is your opinion of the so-called New Journalism – as it is practiced particularly at The Herald Tribune?
If you mean James Breslin and Tom Wolfe, and that crowd, they have nothing to do with creative journalism – in the sense that I use the term – because neither of them, nor any of that school of reporting have the proper fictional technical equipment. It’s useless for a writer whose talent is essentially journalistic to attempt creative reportage, because it simply won’t work. A writer like Rebecca West – always a good reporter – has never really used the form of creative reportage because the form, by necessity, demands that the writer be completely in control of fictional techniques – which means that, to be a good creative reporter, you have to be a very good fiction writer.
Would it be fair to say, then, since many reporters use nonfiction techniques – Meyer Levin in “Compulsion,” Walter Lord in “A Night to Remember” and so forth – that the nonfiction novel can be defined by the degree of the fiction skills involved and the extent of the author’s absorption with his subject?
“Compulsion” is a fictional novel suggested by fact, but no way bound to it. I never read the other book. The nonfiction novel should not be confused with the documentary novel – a popular and interesting but impure genre, which allows all the latitude of the fiction writer, but usually contains neither the persuasiveness of fact nor the poetic altitude fiction is capable of reaching. The author lets his imagination run riot over the facts! If I sound querulous or arrogant about this, it’s not only that I have to protect my child, but that I truly don’t believe anything like it exists in the history of journalism.
What is the first step in producing a “nonfiction novel?”
The difficulty was to choose a promising subject. If you intend to spend three or four or five years with a book, as I planned to do, then you want to be reasonably certain that the material will not soon “date.” The content of much journalism so swiftly does, which is another of the medium’s deterrents. A number of ideas occurred, but one after the other, and for one reason or another, each was eventually discarded, often after I’d done considerable preliminary work. Then one morning in November, 1959, wile flicking through The New York Times, I encountered, on a deep-inside page, this headline: Wealthy Farmer, 3 of Family Slain.
The story was brief, just several paragraphs stating the facts: A Mr. Herbert W. Clutter, who had served on the Farm Credit Board during the Eisenhower Administration, his wife and two teen-aged children has been brutally, entirely mysteriously, murdered on a lonely wheat and cattle ranch in a remote part of Kansas. There was nothing really exceptional about it; one reads items concerning multiple murders many times in the course of a year.
Then why did you decide it was the subject you had been looking for?
I didn’t. Not immediately. But after reading the story it suddenly struck me that a crime, the study of one such, might provide the broad scope I needed to write the kind of book I wanted to write. Moreover, the human heart being what it is, murder was a theme not likely to darken and yellow with time.
I thought about it all that November day, and part of the next; and then I said to myself: Well, why not this crime? The Clutter case. Why not pack up and go to Kansas and see what happens? Of course it was a rather frightening thought! – to arrive alone in a small, strange town, a town in the grip of an unsolved mass murder. Still, the circumstances of the place being altogether unfamiliar, geographically and atmospherically, made it that much more tempting. Everything would seem freshly minted – the people, their accents and attitudes, the landscape its contours, the weather. All this, it seemed to me, could only sharpen my eye and quicken my ear.
In the end, I did not go alone. I went with a lifelong friend, Harper Lee. She is a gifted woman, courageous, and with a warmth that instantly kindles most people, however suspicious or dour. She had recently completed a first novel (“To Kill a Mockingbird”), and, feeling at loose ends, she said she would accompany me in the roll of assistant researchist.
We traveled by train to St. Louis, changed trains and went to Manhattan, Kan., where we got off to consult Dr. James McClain, president of Mr. Clutter’s alma mater, Kansas State University. Dr. McClain, a gracious man, seemed a little nonplussed by our interest in the case; but he gave us letters of introduction to several people in western Kansas. We rented a car and drove some 400 miles to Garden City. It was twilight when we arrived. I remember the car radio was playing, and we heard: “Police authorities, continuing their investigation of the tragic Clutter slayings, have requested that anyone with pertinent information please contact the Sheriff’s officeŠ”
If I had realized then what the future held, I never would have stopped in Garden City. I would have driven straight on. Like a bat out of hell.
What was Harper Lee’s contributions to your work?
She kept me company when I was based out there. I suppose she was with me about two months altogether. She went on a number of interviews; she typed her own notes, and I had these and could refer to them. She was extremely helpful in the beginning, when we weren’t making much headway with the town’s people, by making friends with the wives of the people I wanted to meet. She became friendly with all the churchgoers. A Kansas paper said the other day that everyone out there was so wonderfully cooperative because I was a famous writer. The fact of the matter is that not one single person in the town had ever heard of me.
How long did it take for the town to thaw out enough so that your were accepted and you could get to your interviewing?
About a month. I think they finally just realized that we were there to say – they’d have to make the best of it. Under the circumstances, they were suspicious. After all, there was an unsolved murder case, and the people in town were tired of the thing, and frightened. But then after it all quieted down – after Perry and Dick were arrested – that was when we did most of the original interviews. Some of them went on for three years – though not on the same subject, of course. I suppose if I used just 20 per cent of all the material I put together over those years of interviewing, I’d still have a book two thousand pages long!
How much research did you do other than through interviews with the principals in the case?
Oh, a great deal. I did months of comparative research on murder, murderers, the criminal mentality, and I interviewed quite a number of murderers – solely to give me a perspective on these two boys. And then crime. I didn’t know anything about crime or criminals when I began to do the book. I certainly do now! I’d say 80 per cent of the research I did I have never used. But it gave me such a brooding that I never had any hesitation in my consideration of the subject.
What was the most singular interview you conducted?
I suppose the most startled interviewee was Mr. Bell, the meat-packing executive from Omaha. He was the man who picked up Perry and Dick when they were hitchhiking across Nebraska. They planned to murder him and then make off with his car. Quite unaware of all this, Bell was saved, as you’ll remember, just as Perry was going to smash in his head from the seat behind, because he slowed down to pick up another hitchhiker, a Negro. The boys told me this story, and they had the man’s business card. I decided to interview him. I wrote him a letter, but got no answer. Then I wrote a letter to the personnel manager of the meat-packing company in Omaha, asking if they had a Mr. Bell in their employ. I told them I wanted to talk to him about a pair of hitchhikers he’d picked up four months previously. The manager wrote back and said that they did have a Mr. Bell on their staff, but it was surely the wrong Mr. Bell since it was against company policy for employees to take hitchhikers in their cars. So I telephoned Mr. Bell and when he got on the phone he was very brusque: he said I didn’t know what I was talking about.
The only thing to do was to go to Omaha personally. I went up there and walked in on Mr. Bell and put two photographs down on his desk. I asked him if he recognized the two men. He said, why? So I told him that the two were the hitchhikers he said he had never given a ride to, that they had planned to kill him and then bury him in the prairie – and how close they’d come to it. he said he had never given a ride to, that they had planned to kill him and then bury him in the prairie – and how close they’d come to it. he said he had never given a ride to, that they had planned to kill him and then bury him in the prairie – and how close they’d come to it. Well, he turned every conceivable kind of color. You can imagine. He recognized them all right. He was quite cooperative about telling me about the trip, but he asked me not to use his real name. There are only three people in the book whose names I’ve changed – his, the convict Perry admired so much (Willie-Jay he’s called in the book), and also I changed Perry Smith’s sister’s name.
How long after you went to Kansas did you sense the form of the book? Were there many false starts?
I worked for a year on the notes before I ever wrote one line. And when I wrote the first word, I had done the entire book in outline, down to the finest detail. Except for the last part, the final dispensation of the case – that was an evolving matter. It began, of course, with interviews – with all the different characters of the book. Let me give you two examples of how I worked from these interviews. In the first part of the book – the part that’s called “The Last to See Them Alive” – there’s a long narration word for word five by the schoolteacher who went with the sheriff to the Clutter house and found the four bodies. Well, I simply set that into the book as a straight complete interview – though it was, in fact, done several times: each time there’d be some little thing which I’d add or change. But I hardly interfered at all. A slight editing job. The schoolteacher tells the whole story himself – exactly what happened from the moment they got to the house, and what they found there.
On the other hand, in that same first part, there’s a scene between the postmistress and her mother when the mother reports that the ambulances have gone to the Clutter house. That’s a straight dramatic scene – with quotes, dialogue, action, everything. But is evolved out of interviews just like the one with the schoolteacher. Except in this case I tool what they had told me and transposed it into straight narrative terms. Of course, elsewhere in the book, very often it’s direct observation, events I saw myself – the trial, the executions.
You never used a tape-recorder?
Twelve years ago I began to train myself, for the purpose of this sort of book, to transcribe conversation without using a tape-recorder. I did it by having a friend read passages from a book, and then later I’d write them down to see how close I could come to the original. I had a natural facility for it, but after doing these exercises for a year and a half, for a couple of hours a day, I could get within 95 per cent of absolute accuracy, which is as close as you need. I felt it was essential. Even note-taking arterializes the atmosphere of an interview, or a scene-in-progress; it interferes with the communication between author and subject – the latter is usually self-conscious, or an untrusting wariness is induced. Certainly, a tape-recorder does so. Not long ago a French literary critic turned up with a tape-recorder. I don’t like them, as I say, but I agreed to its use. In the middle of the interview it broke down. The French literary critic was desperately unhappy. He didn’t know what to do. I said, “Well, let’s just go on as if nothing had happened.” He said, “It’s not the same. I’m not accustomed to listen to what you’re saying.”
You’ve kept yourself out of the book entirely. Why was that – considering your own involvement in the case?
My feeling is that for the nonfiction-novel form to be an entirely successful, the author should not appear in the work. Ideally. Once the narrator does appear, he has to appear throughout, all the way down the line, and the I-I-I intrudes when it really shouldn’t. I think the single most difficult thing in my book, technically, was to write it without ever appearing myself, and yet, at the same time, create total credibility.
Being removed from the book, that is to say, keeping yourself out of it, do you find it difficult to present your own point of view? For example, your own view as to why Perry Smith committed the murders.
Of course it’s by the selection fo what you choose to tell. I believe Perry did what he did for the reasons he himself states – that his life was a constant accumulation of disillusionments and reverses and he suddenly found himself (in the Clutter house that night) in a psychological cul-de-sac. The Clutters were such a perfect set of symbols for every frustration in his life. As Perry himself said, “I didn’t have anything against them, and they never did anything wrong to me – the way other people have all my life. Maybe they’re just the ones who had to pay for it.” Now in that particular section where Perry talk about the reason for the murders, I could have included other views. But Perry’s happens to be the one I believe is the right one, and it’s the one that Dr. Satten at the Menninger Clinic arrived at quite independently, never having done any interviews with Perry.
I could have added a lot of other opinions. But that would have confused the issue, and indeed the book. I had to make up my mind and move toward that one view, always. You can say that the reportage is incomplete. But then it has to be. It’s a question of selection; you wouldn’t get anywhere if it wasn’t for that. I’ve often thought of the book as being like something reduced to a seed. Instead of presenting the reader with a full plant, with all the foliage, a seed is planted in the soil of his mind. I’ve often thought of the book in that sense. I make my own comment by what I choose to tell and how I choose to tell it. It is true that an author is more in control of fictional characters because he can do anything he wants with them as long as they stay credible. But in the nonfiction novel once can also manipulate: if I put something in which I don’t agree about I can always set it in a context of qualification without having to step into the story myself to set the reader straight.
When did you first see the murderers – Perry and Dick?
The first time I ever say them was the day there were returned to Garden City. I had been waiting in the crowd in the square for nearly five hours, frozen to death. That was the first time. I tried to interview them the next day – both completely unsuccessful interviews. I say Perry first, but he was so cornered and suspicious – and quite rightly so – and paranoid that he couldn’t have been less communicative. It was always easier with Dick. He was like someone you meet on a train, immensely garrulous, who starts up a conversation and is only too obliged to tell you everything. Perry became easier after the third or fourth month, but it wasn’t until the last five years of this life that he was totally and absolutely honest with me, and came to trust me. I came to have great rapport with him right up through his last day. For the first year and a half, though, he would come just so close , and then no closer. He’d retreat into the forest and leave me standing outside. I’d hear him laugh in the dark. Then gradually he would come back. In the end, he could not have been more complete and candid.
How did the two accept being used as subjects for a book?
They had no idea what I was going to do. Well, of course, at the end they did. Perry was always asking me: Why are you writing this book? What is it supposed to mean? I don’t understand why you’re doing it. Tell me in one sentence why you want to do it. So I would hay that it didn’t have anything to do with changing the readers’ opinion about anything, nor did I have any moral reasons worthy of calling them such – it was just that I had a strictly aesthetic theory about creating a book which could result in a work of art.
“That’s really the truth, Perry,” I’d tell him, and Perry would say, “A work of art, a work of art,” and then he’d laugh and say, “What an irony, what an irony.” I’d ask what he meant, and he’d tell me that all he ever wanted to do in his life was to produce a work of art. “That’s all I ever wanted in my whole like,” he said. “And now, what has happened? An incredible situation where I kill four people, and you’re going to produce a work of art.” Well, I’d have to agree with him. It was a pretty ironic situation.
Did you ever show sections of the book to witnesses as you went along?
I have done it, but I don’t believe in it. It’s a mistake because it’s almost impossible to write about anybody objectively and have that person really like it. People simply do not like to see themselves put down on paper. They’re like somebody who goes to see his portrait in a gallery. He doesn’t like it unless it’s overwhelmingly flattering – I mean the ordinary person, not someone with genuine creative perception. Showing the thing in progress usually frightens the person and there’s nothing to be gained by it. I showed various section to five people in the book, and without exception each of them found something that he desperately wanted to change. Of the whole bunch, I changed my text for one of them because, although it was a silly thing, the person genuinely believed his entire life was going to be ruined if I didn’t make the change.
Did Dick and Perry see sections of the book?
They saw some sections of it. Perry wanted terribly much to see the book. I had to let him see it because it just would have been too unkind not to. Each only saw the manuscript in little pieces. Everything mailed to the prison went through the censor. I wasn’t about to have my manuscript floating around between those censors – not with these Xerox machines going clickety-clock. So when I went to the prison to visit I would bring parts – some little thing for Perry to read. Perry’s greatest objection was the title. He didn’t like it because he said the crime wasn’t committed in cold blood. I told him the title had a double meaning. What was the other meaning? He wanted to know. Well, that wasn’t something I was going to tell him. Dick’s reaction to the book was to start switching and changing his storyŠsaying what I had written wasn’t exactly true. He wasn’t trying to flatter himself; he tried to change it to serve his purposes legally, to support the various appeals he was sending through the courts. He wanted the book to read as if it was a legal brief for presentation in his behalf before the Supreme Court. But you see I had a perfect control-agent – I could always tell when Dick or Perry wasn’t telling the truth. During the first few months of so of interviewing them, they weren’t allowed to speak to each other. They were in separate cells. So I would keep crossing their stories, and what correlated, what checked out identically, was the truth.
How did the two compare in their recounting of the events?
Dick had an absolutely fantastic memory – one of the greatest memories I have ever come across. The reason I know it’s great is that I lived the entire trip the boys went on from the time of the murders up to the moment of their arrest in Las Vegas – thousands of miles, what the boys called “the long ride.” I went everywhere the boys had gone, all the hotel rooms, every single place in the book, Mexico, Acapulco, all of it. In the hotel in Miami Beach I stayed for three days until the manager realized why I was there and asked me to leave, which I was only too glad to do. Well, Dick could give me the names and addresses of any hotel or place along the route where they’d spent maybe just half a night. He told me when I got to Miami to take a taxi to such-and-such a place and get out on the boardwalk and it would be southwest of there, number 232, and opposite I’d find two umbrellas in the sand which advertised “Tan with Coppertone.” That was how exact he was. He was the one who remembered the little card in the Mexico City hotel room – in the corner of the mirror – that reads “Your day ends at 2 p.m.” He was extraordinary. Perry, on the other hand, was very bad at details of that sort, though he was good at remembering conversations and moods. He was concerned altogether in the overtones of things. He was much better at describing a general sort of mood or atmosphere than Dick who, though very sensitive, was impervious to that sort of thing.
What turned them back to the Clutter house after they’d almost decided to give up on the job?
Oh, Dick was always quite frank about that. I mean after it was all over. When they set out for the house that night, Dick was determined before he ever went, that if the girl, Nancy, was there he was going to rape her. It wouldn’t have been an act or the moment – he had been thinking about it for weeks. He told me that was one of the main reasons he was so determined to go back after they thought, you know for a moment, they wouldn’t go. Because he’d been thinking about raping this girl for weeks and weeks. He had no idea what she looked like – after all, Floyd Wells, the man in prison who told them about the Clutters, hadn’t seen the girl in 10 years: it had to do with the fact that she was 15 or 16. He liked young girls, much younger than Nancy Clutter actually.
What do you think would have happened if Perry had faltered and not begun the fillings? Do you think Dick would have done it?
No. There is such a thing as the ability to kill. Perry’s particular psychosis had produced this ability. Dick was merely ambitious – he could plan murder, but not commit it.
What was the boys’ reaction to the killing?
They both finally decided that they had thoroughly enjoyed it. Once they started going, it became an immense emotional release. And they through it was funny. With the criminal mind – and both boys had criminal minds, believe me – what seems most extreme to us is very often, if it’s the most expedient thing to do, the easiest thing for a criminal to do. Perry and Dick both used to say (a memorable phrase) that it was much easier to kill somebody than it was to cash a bad check. Passing a bad check requires a great deal of artistry and style, whereas just going in and killing somebody requires only that you pull a trigger.
There are some instances of this that aren’t in the book. At one point, in Mexico, Perry and Dick had a terrible falling, and Perry said he was going to kill Dick. He said that he’d already killed five people – he was lying, adding one more than he should have (that was the Negro he kept telling Dick he’d killed years before in Las Vegas) and that one more murder wouldn’t matter. It was simple enough. Perry’s cliché about it was that if you’ve killed one person you can kill anybody. He’d look at Dick, as they drove along together, and he’d say to himself, Well, I really ought to kill him, it’s a question of expediency.
They had two other murders planned that aren’t mentioned in the book. Neither of them came off. One “victim” was a man who ran a restaurant in Mexico City – a Swiss. They had become friendly with him eating in his restaurant and when they were out of money they evolved this whole plan about robbing and murdering him. They went to his apartment in Mexico City and waited for him all night long. He never showed up. The other “victim” was a man they never even knew – like the Clutters. He was a banker in a small Kansas town. Dick kept telling Perry that sure, they might have failed with the Clutter score, but this Kansas banker job was absolutely for certain They were gong to kidnap him and ask for ransom, though the plan was, as you might imagine, to murder him right away.
When they went back to Kansas completely broke, that was the main plot they had in mind. What saved the banker was the ride the two boys took with Mr. Bell, yet another “victim” who was spared, as you remember, when he slowed down the car to pick up the Negro hitchhiker. Mr. Bell offered Dick a job in his meat-packing company. Dick took him up on it and spent two days there on the pickle line – putting slices in ham sandwiches. I think it was – before he and Perry went back on the road again.
Do you think Perry and Dick were surprised by what they were doing when they began the killings?
Perry never meant to kill the Clutters at all. He had a brain explosion. I don’t think Dick was surprised, although later on he pretended he was. He knew, even if Perry didn’t, that Perry would do it, and he was right. It showed an awfully shrewd instinct on Dick’s part. Perry was bothered by it to a certain extent because he’d actually done it. He was always trying to find out in his own mind why he did it. He was amazed he’d done it. Dick, on the other hand, wasn’t amazed, didn’t want to talk about it, and simply wanted to forget the whole thing: he wanted to get on with life.
Was there any sexual relationship, or such tendencies between them?
No. None at all. Dick was aggressively heterosexual and had great success. Women liked him. As for Perry, his love for Willie-Jay in the State Prison was profound – and it was reciprocated, but never consummated physically, though there was the opportunity. The relationship between Perry and Dick was quite another matter. What is misleading, perhaps, is that in comparing himself with Dick, Perry used to say how totally “virile” Dick was. But he was referring, I think, to the practical and pragmatic sides of Dick – admiring them because as a dreamer he had none of that toughness himself at all.
Perry’s sexual interests were practically null. When Dick went to the whorehouses, Perry sat in the cafes, waiting – that was their first night in Mexico when the two of them went to a bordello run by an “old queen,” according to Dick. Ten dollars was the price – which they weren’t about to pay, and they said so. Well, the old queen looked at them and said perhaps he could arrange something for less; he disappeared and come out with this female midget, about 3 feet 2 inches tall. Dick was disgusted, but Perry was madly excited. That was the only instance. Perry was such a little moralist after all.
How long do you think the two would have stayed together had they not been picked up in Las Vegas? Was the odd bond that kept them together beginning to fray? One senses in the rashness of their acts and plans a subconscious urge to be captured?
Dick planned to ditch Perry in Las Vegas, and I think he would have done so. No, I certainly don’t think this particular pair wanted to be caught – though this is a common criminal phenomenon.
How do you yourself equate the sort of petty punk that Detective Alvin Dewey feels Dick is with the extraordinary violence in him – to “see hair all over the walls?”
Dick’s was definitely a small-scale criminal mind. These violent phrases were simply a form of bragging meant to impress Perry, who was impressed, for he liked to think of Dick as being “tough.” Perry was too sensitive to be “tough.” Sensitive. But himself able to kill.
It is one of the artistic limitations of the nonfiction novel that the writer is placed at the whim of chance? Suppose, in the case of “In Cold Blood,” clemency had been granted? Or the two boys had been less interesting? Wouldn’t the artistry of the book have suffered? Isn’t luck involved?
It is true that I was in the peculiar situation of being involved in a slowly developing situation. I never knew until the events were well along whether a book was going to be possible. There was always the choice, after all, of whether to stop or go on. The book could have ended with the trial, with just a coda at the end explaining what had finally happened. If the principals had been uninteresting or completely uncooperative, I could have stopped and looked elsewhere, perhaps not very far. A nonfiction novel would have been written about any of the other prisoners in Death Row – York and Latham, or especially Lee Andrews. Andrews was the most subtly crazy person you can imagine – I mean there was just one thing wrong with him. He was the most rational, calm, bright young boy you’d ever want to meet. I mean really bright – which is what made him a truly awesome kind of person. Because his one flaw was, it didn’t bother him at all to kill. Which is quite a trait. The people who crossed his path, well, to his way of thinking, the best thing to do with them was just to put them in their graves.
What other than murder might be a subject suitable for the nonfiction novel?
The other day someone suggested that the break-up of a marriage would be an interesting topic for a nonfiction novel. I disagreed. First of all, you’d have to find two people who would be willing – who’d sign a release. Second, their respective views on the subject-matter would be incoherent. And third, any couple who’d subject themselves to the scrutiny demanded would quite likely be a pair of kooks. But it’s amazing how many events would work with this theory of the nonfiction novel in mind – the Watts riots, for example. They would provide a subject that satisfied the first essential of the nonfiction novel – that there is timeless quality about the cause and events. That’s important. If it’s going to date, it can’t be a work of art. The requisite would also be that you would have had to live through the riots, at least part of them, as a witness, so that a depth of perception could be acquired. That event, just three days. It would take years to do. You’d start with the family that instigated the riots without meaning to.
With the nonfiction novel I suppose the temptation to fictionalize events, or a line of dialogue, for example, must at times be overwhelming. With “In Cold Blood” was there any invention of this sort to speak of – I was thinking specifically of the dog you described trotting along the road at the end of a section on Perry and Dick, and then later you introduce the next section on the two with Dick swerving to hit the dog. Was there actually a dog at that exact point in the narrative, or were you using the habit of Dick’s as a fiction device to bridge the two sections?
No. There was a dog, and it was precisely as described. One doesn’t spend almost six years on a book, the point of which is factual accuracy, and then give way to minor distortions. People are so suspicious. They ask, “How can you reconstruct the conversation of a dead girl, Nancy Clutter, without fictionalizing?” If they read the book carefully, they can see readily enough how it’s done. It’s a silly questions. Each time Nancy appears in the narrative, there are witnesses to what she is saying and doing – phone calls, conversations being overheard. When she walks the horse up from the river in the twilight, the hired man is a witness and talked to her then. The last time we see her, in her bedroom, Perry and Dick themselves were the witnesses, and told me what she had said. What is reported of her, even in the narrative form, is as accurate as many hours of questions, over and over again, can make it. All of it is reconstructed from the evidence of witnesses – which is implicit in the title of the first section of the book – “The Last to See Them Alive.”
How conscious were you of film techniques in planning the book?
Consciously, not at all. Subconsciously, who knows?
After their conviction, you spent years corresponding and visiting with the prisoners. What was the relationship between the two of them?
When they were taken to Death Row, they were right next door to each other. But they didn’t talk much. Perry was intensely secretive and wouldn’t ever talk because he didn’t want the other prisoners – York, Latham, and particularly Andrews, whom he despised – to hear anything that he had to say. He would write Dick notes on “kites” as he called them. He would reach out his hand and zip the “kits” into Dick’s cell. Dick didn’t much enjoy receiving these communications because they were always one form or another of recrimination – nothing to do with the Clutter crime, but just general dissatisfaction with things there in prison and Š the people, very often Dick himself. Perry’d send Dick a note: “If I hear you tell another of those fifthly jokes again I’ll kill you when we go to the shower!” He was quite a little moralist, Perry, As I’ve said.
It was over a moral question that he and I had a tremendous falling out once. It lasted for about two month. I used to send them things to read – both books and magazines – either those or magazines that had to do with cars and motors. I sent them both whatever they wanted. Well, Perry said to me one time: “How could a person like you go on contributing to the degeneracy of Dick’s mind by sending him all this ‘ degenerate filthy’ iterative?” Weren’t they all sick enough without this further contribution towards their total moral decay? He’d got very grand talking in terms that way. I tried to explain to him that I was neither his judge nor Dick’s – and if that was what Dick wanted to read, that was his business. Perry felt that was entirely wrong – that people had to fulfill an obligation towards moral leadership. Very grand. Well, I agree with him up to a point, but in the case of Dick’s reading matter it was absurd, of course, and so we go into such a really serious argument about it that afterwards, for two months, he wouldn’t speak or even write to me.
How often did the two correspond with you?
Except for those occasional fallings-out, they’d write twice a week. I wrote them both twice a week all those years. One letter to the both of them didn’t work. I had to write them both and I had to be careful not to be repetitious, because they were very jealous of each other. Or rather, Perry was terribly jealous of Dick, and if Dick got one more letter than he did, that would create a great crisis. I wrote them about what I was doing, and where I was living, describing everything in the most careful detail. Perry was interested in my dog, and I would always write about him and send along pictures. I often wrote them about their legal problems.
Do you think if the social positions of the two boys had been different that their personalities would have been markedly different?
Of course there wasn’t anything peculiar about Dick’s social position. He was a very ordinary boy who simply wouldn’t sustain any kind of normal relationship with anybody. If he had been given $10,000, perhaps he might have settled into some small business. But I don’t think so. He had a very natural criminal instinct towards everything. He was oriented towards stealing from the beginning. One the other hand, I think Perry could have been an entirely different person. I really do. His life had been so incredibly abysmal that I don’t see what chance e had as a little child except to steal and run wild.
Of course, you could say that his brother, with exactly the same background, went ahead and became the head of his class. What does it matter that he later killed himself. No, it’s there – it’s the fact that the brother did kill himself, in spite of his success, that shows how really awry the background of the Smiths’ lives were. Terrifying. Perry had extraordinary qualities, but they just weren’t channeled properly – to put it mildly. He was really a talented boy in a limited way – he had a genuine sensitivity – and, as I’ve said, when he talked about himself as an artist, he wasn’t really joking at all.
You once said that emotionality make you lose writing control – that you had to exhaust emotion before you could get to work. Was there a problem with “In Cold Blood,” considering your involvement with the case and its principals?
Yes, it was a problem. Nevertheless, I felt in control throughout. However, I had great difficulty writing the last six or seven pages. This even took a physical form: hand paralysis. I finally used a typewriter – very awkward as I always write in longhand.
Your feeling about capital punishment is implicit in this title of the book. How do you feel the lot of Perry and Dick should have been resolved?
I feel that capital crimes should all be handled by Federal Courts, and that those convicted should be imprisoned in a special Federal prison where, conceivably, a life-sentence could mean, as it does not in state courts, just that.
Did you see the prisoners on their final day? Perry wrote you a 100-page letter that you received after the execution. Did he mention that he had written it?
Yes, I was with them the last hour before the execution. No, Perry did not mention the letter. He only kissed me on the cheek, and said, “Adios, amigo.”
What was the letter about?
It was a rambling letter, often intensely personal, often setting forth his various philosophies. He had been reading Santayana. Somewhere he had read “The Last Puritan,” and had been very impressed by it. What I really think impressed him about me was that I had once visited Santayana at the Convent of the Blue Nuns in Rome. He always wanted me to go into great detail about that visit, what Santayana had looked like, and the nuns, and all the physical details. Also, he had been reading Thoreau. Narratives didn’t interest him at all. So in his letter he would write: “As Santayana says -” and then there’d be five pages of what Santayana did say. Or he’d write: “I agree with Thoreau about this. Do you?” – then he’d write that he didn’t care what I thought, and he’d add five or ten pages of what he agreed with Thoreau about.
The case must have left you with an extraordinary collection of memorabilia.
My files would almost fill a whole small room, right up to the ceiling. All my research. Hundreds of letters. Newspaper clippings. Court records – the court records almost fill two trunks. There were so many Federal hearings on the case. One Federal hearing was twice as long as the original court trial. A huge assemblage of stuff. I have some of the personal belongings – all of Perry’s because he left me everything he owned; it was miserably little, his books, writing in and annotated; the letters he received while in prisonŠ not very manyŠ his paintings and drawings. Rather a heart-breaking assemblage that arrived about a month after the execution. I simply couldn’t bear to look at it for a long time. I finally sorted everything. Then, also, after the execution, that 100-page letter from Perry got to me. The last line of the letter – it’s Thoreau, I think, a paraphrase, goes, “And suddenly I realize life is the father and death is the mother.” The last line. Extraordinary.
What will you do with this collection?
I think I may burn it all. You think I’m kidding? I’m not. The book is what is important. It exists in its own right. The rest of the material is extraneous, and it’s personal, what’s more, I don’t really want people poking around in the material of six years of work and research. The book is the end result of all that, and it’s exactly what I wanted to do from it.
Detective Dewey told me that he felt the case and your stays in Garden City had changed you – even your style of dress… that you were more “conservative” now, and had given up detachable collars…
Of course the case changed me! How could anyone live through such an experience without it profoundly affecting him? I’ve always been almost overly aware of the precipice we all walk along, the ridge and the abyss on either side; the last six years have increased this awareness to an almost all-pervading point. As for the rest – Mr. Dewey, a man for whom I have the utmost affection and respect, is perhaps confusing comparative youth (I was 35 when we first met) with the normal aging process. Six years ago I had four more teeth and considerably more hair that is now the case, and furthermore I lost 20 pounds. I dress to accommodate the physical situation. By the way, I have never worn a detachable collar.
What are you going to work on now?
Well, having talked at such length about the nonfiction novel, I must admit I’m going to go on to write a novel, a straight novel, one I’ve had in mind for about 15 years. But I will attempt the nonfiction form again – when the time comes and the subject appears and I recognize the possibilities. I have one very good idea for another one, but I’m going to let it simmer on the back of my head for awhile. It’s quite a step – to undertake the nonfiction novel. Because the amount of work is enormous. The relationship between the author and all the people he must deal with if he does the job properly – well, it’s a full 24-hour-a-day job. Even when I wasn’t working on the book, I was somehow involved with all the characters in it – with their personal lives, writing six or seven letters a day, taken up with their problems, a complete involvement. It’s extraordinarily difficult and consuming, but for a writer who tries, doing it all the way down the line, the result can be a unique and exciting form of writing.
What has been the response of readers of “In Cold Blood” to date?
I’ve been staggered by the letters I’ve received – their quality of sensibility, their articulateness, the compassion of their authors. The letters are not fan letters. They’re from people deeply concerned about what it is I’ve written about. About 70 per cent of the letters think of the book as a reflection on American life – this collision between the desperate, ruthless, wandering, savage part of American life, and the other, which is insular and safe, more or less. It has struck them because there is something so awfully inevitable about what is going to happen: the people in the book are completely beyond their own control. For example, Perry wasn’t an evil person. If he’d had any chance in life, things would have been different. But every illusion he’d ever had, well, they all evaporated, so that on that night he was so full of self-hatred and self-pity that I think he would have killed somebody – perhaps not that night, on the next, or the next. You can’t go through life without ever getting anything you want, ever.
At the very end of the book you give Alvin Dewey a scene in the county cemetery, a chance meeting with Sue Kidwell, which seems to synthesize the whole experience for him. Is there such a moment in your own case?
I’m still very much haunted by the whole thing. I have finished the book, but in a sense I haven’t finished it: it keeps churning around in my head. It particularizes itself now and then, but not in the sense that it brings about a total conclusion. It’s like the echo of E. M. Forster’s Malabar Caves, the echo that’s meaningless and yet it’s there: one keeps hearing it all the time.
Famed for his books Breakfast at Tiffany’s and In Cold Blood, his socializing with high society and celebrities, and his legendary Black and White Ball, Truman Capote ended up an alcoholic and drug addict with his reputation in shreds and his friends ostracizing him. Now he’s returned to the spotlight with the success of the recent movie Capote; another one, Infamous, due out in September; and a just-published book about the Black and White Ball plus Christie’s re-creation of the ball in March. The Capote legend lives on as people who knew him, including some in Greenwich, share their recollections. In 1966,the second time we met, Truman Capote invited me to what became the most talked-about party of all time. The invitation was prompted as much by guilt as by friendship. He was going to miss a writing deadline.
As the editor of McCall’s magazine, I had admired his story “A Christmas Memory” and hoped he would write more in that vein. Over drinks in his new United Nations Plaza apartment, flushed with the success of In Cold Blood, he expansively outlined another childhood adventure with his beloved cousin, Sook, to be called “The Thanksgiving Visitor.” I savored the sunset from his wide-screen view of Manhattan and left in a glow of anticipation.
Summer came. Our November issue loomed. “The Thanksgiving Visitor” did not appear. Truman suggested lunch.Across an expanse of linen, crystal and silver, he beamed at me the slyly excited look that always suggested he was about to disclose a wonderful secret. “I’m giving a party,” he said. “I’ve just been to Tiffany’s to order invitations. Will you come?”
I said yes and, all through lunch, waited to ask if “The Thanksgiving Visitor” would be arriving before or after the invitation. But he was clearly obsessed with plans for his party: a dance at the Plaza, men in black tie, women in white or black gowns, wearing masks until midnight. That was where all his creativity was going. Ah, well, there would be another November issue next year.
At the peak of his powers as a self-publicist, Truman kept the gossip flowing all fall. Who would attend? Who wouldn’t? A mutual friend told me he had called to ask about my wife. Was she … attractive? He was inviting only spouses who passed muster on appearance.
He called often with Black and White bulletins. “People are leaving the country,” Truman giggled, “so no one will know they weren’t asked.” (That was prescient. In an act of delicious malice, the New York Times the day after the ball published a list of the 540 who had been invited, thereby exposing all those who had claimed to have declined because “We’ll be away.”)
During another call, he said, “People are offering thousands of dollars for an invitation.”
“I’m not one of your rich friends, Truman. Would you mind if I sold mine?” He whooped with pleasure.
Setting out for the Plaza that rainy Monday night, my wife and I, dime-store masks in her purse, were hailing a taxi when a neighbor smiled at the tux and white gown.
“I know where you’re going,” she sighed.
“I saw it on the six o’clock news.”
In everything he did, Truman had a storyteller’s way with the truth. His writing and even his casual conversation abounded in astonishments, wondrous coincidences and weird juxtapositions. He would tell colorful tales, unlikely but not necessarily untrue, often at the expense of macho figures: how Marlon Brando tried to get him into bed after an all-night interview in a Japanese hotel; how during the filming of Beat the Devil, he bested Humphrey Bogart, who persisted in calling him Caposy, at arm-wrestling for $150 and sealed the humiliation of the actor, known for his nightclub brawls, by using judo to put him flat on his back.
The ball was another work of Truman’s imagination. He set black and white figures — like those in his friend Cecil Beaton’s Ascot scenes for My Fair Lady — in the Plaza ballroom against candlelit scarlet and pink decor overflowing with roses. He mixed the rich and powerful, the talented and famous, his publishing and show business friends, the Kansas townspeople of In Cold Blood and, for security, off-duty detectives in tuxedos.
Two orchestras took turns playing while the Champagne flowed. Everybody danced except the maharajah of Jaipur and a dour Frank Sinatra, who told my wife “I don’t dance,” as he watched his wife, twenty-one-year-old Mia Farrow, with one energetic partner after another.
Truman’s guests basked in the glow of what Alice Roosevelt Longworth, Teddy Roosevelt’s dowager daughter, called “the most exquisite of spectator sports,” self-validation. I danced with my colleague on McCall’s, Lynda Bird Johnson; gabbed with Lillian Hellman and Gloria Steinem; watched Lauren Bacall and Jerome Robbins do a passable imitation of Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire; and observed with disbelief as George Plimpton and John Kenneth Galbraith played a touch football game with a top hat.
The next day, Charlotte Curtis, a merciless critic of social preening, gave Truman’s production a rave review in the Times, declaring that the guests, “as spectacular a group as has ever been assembled for a private party in New York, were an international Who’s Who of notables.”
Truman had staged a small social masterpiece to go with his books, short stories, plays and movie scripts, taking the public’s fascination with fame, wealth and power — and his own — to a new level.
Later he wrote an account of that night for me, replete with his usual tales, including one about the movie star who called days later to tell him a man she had danced with and taken home was just leaving her apartment. “I thought he was one of the detectives,” she said, “but it turned out he was an elevator boy!” When Truman asked if it made any difference, she “laughed her famous smoky laugh” and answered, “No, I don’t suppose it does. It was the most beautiful party I’ve ever been to.”
Winter came and went. Truman and I talked on the phone, had lunch, but the story he had promised me did not appear.
I sent him a slim leather-bound book with blank pages and, in gilt along its spine, “The Thanksgiving Visitor by Truman Capote,” along with a note: “Here’s a book I’d love to read. Wouldn’t you?” He called with that delighted laugh of his. “I’ll write the story in the book, and we’ll sell it for a fortune at Sotheby’s!”
The manuscript came soon afterward, neatly typed. It was a lovely story, full of longing for the childhood sweetness seldom seen in his later life or work. By the time it appeared in the November 1967 McCall’s, I was no longer editor of the magazine.
Truman took me to dinner. My successor wanted an interview with him, and the publisher had asked him to be guest of honor at a party for advertisers. After the book and the ball, he was, ugh, a hot property.
“I’m going to tell them to go to hell,” he said. “I wrote the story for you.”
His willingness to forego publicity was touching, but I persuaded him to agree to the interview and the party. Later I learned, not from him, that he had tried to get his friend Bill Paley, the head of CBS, to hire me.
In a sphere where mutual use passes for friendship, I felt Truman was genuinely my friend and I his, albeit in a daytime way. While there were too many differences for true intimacy, as outsiders in a world where being “in” is everything, we could count on each other.
When the movie of In Cold Blood was planned, he told me he wanted Richard Brooks to direct it. I asked why.
“Because he has no style of his own.”
“Bad reason,” I said. “If he just puts your book on the screen, it will turn out flat. You should risk a director with as distinctive a voice as your own to translate it into film.”
Brooks made the movie, and, after a screening for his friends, Truman backed me into a corner.
“The actors were perfect, and it had just the right look.”
He kept staring.
“Overall it was a little too ham-handed for me.”
He was silent for a moment. “Will it get good reviews?”
“Mostly, but mixed.”
His eyes narrowed. “Will it make money?”
He touched my forearm and walked away. It was like telling a friend his child was brain-damaged.
After the book and the ball, Truman was on top of the world, but soon, in the throes of writer’s block, drugs and alcohol, his life started to fall apart.
He wrote a few pieces for me when I returned to edit McCall’s in 1972. This time they were scribbled in dime-store notebooks, and he urged me to keep them. “Someday,” he said wistfully, “they may be worth something.”
He would disappear for months, into rehab clinics or his own private darkness, then call to make a lunch date.
We usually met alone but, on one occasion, he showed up with a man and gave me a glimpse into his other life. All through drinks and the meal, Truman was giddy, telling stories and glancing sidewise at his companion, whose expression remained impassive, a mask of confidence in his sexual power over my friend.
After lunch they persuaded me to go with them to a shop called the Pleasure Chest, where they pored over “sexual aids,” Truman exclaiming every once in a while about some item. Finally, he eyed me and said, “These things don’t interest you?” I said no and left.
His life got worse after three swatches from his novel Answered Prayers appeared in Esquire, one with him on the cover in a black hat and cloak, paring his fingernails with a stiletto. Inside was a thinly veiled version of a messy sexual episode involving Bill Paley. The Paleys cut him dead. So did their friends. All the bejeweled ladies, his “swans,” who had glided through the Black and White Ball, turned and swam away.
We were at his front table in La Grenouille, but no one stopped by for air kisses and gossip.
“What did they expect?” he asked plaintively. “They knew I was a writer.”
Truman’s endless obsession with the rich had started to unravel his life. He had once told a friend he wanted to write a book about them like The Origin of Species.
“You’re not kidding yourself,” the friend asked, “that all you’re up to is a little research? Did you ever hear of anyone rattling the pearly gates trying to get out?”
The last time I saw Truman was a disaster. Early in 1980, he wrote from California: “I was very aware of how considerate you were during all my trials and travails. I’m returning to Answered Prayers shortly, and I think you might like the chapter I’m working on. It’s really quite an invention — though it seems to puzzle some people.”
The fact that McCall’s had advanced him a modest amount of money was weighing on him.
“Maybe we could do a question and answer. Who are the world’s ten most attractive women? Why do so many society women have two husbands (a legal husband, who is straight, and a playmate husband, who is gay)? Why has that figure of the twenties, the gigolo, been resurrected? Why do all Elizabeth Taylor’s old friends dislike her current husband? Ask the questions, and I’ll answer them. I’m full of new and sassy opinions.”
I said no because I was saddened by the recycling of his old outrageousness, the self-parody that was surfacing in lectures and on TV to produce painful headlines. Even so, our last project together, which had been my idea, ended badly.
When Jacqueline Kennedy, the media’s sainted widow, married Aris-totle Onassis, she unleashed all the suppressed venom that underlies extravagantly admired celebrity. There were books, articles and even an atrocious movie to tear her down. I wanted an article on all this “Jackie Trash” and asked Truman to write it.
He had not seen the movie The Greek Tycoon, so I set up a screening. When I picked him up, he looked awful. Under huge dark glasses, his eyes were clouded, his skin was pasty and he could barely speak between low moans. I wanted to reschedule, but he insisted he was all right.
The movie was a striking reminder of Truman’s lost life — lavish yachts, exquisite Mediterranean hideaways, gilded doings — but it was garbage. Halfway through, he leaned to my ear: “I have to go. Please.”
I helped him to the door. I stayed to the end and told our hosts: “Mr. Capote was taken sick. I don’t think it was the picture that did it.”
Truman did not write the piece (the theme of falling from publicity grace would have been too painful), and I never saw him again.
At his funeral in 1984, there were readings from his works and music ranging from Mozart to Billie Holiday’s “Good Morning Heartache.” Friends spoke feelingly about him, but, as usual, Truman was ahead of them. He had left his own mordant epitaph in a collection of pieces he wrote, a couple of them for me, while struggling vainly with Answered Prayers.
In the last piece in that last book, he summed himself up: “I’m an alcoholic. I’m a drug addict. I’m homosexual. I’m a genius.”
And you thought selecting the right salsa was a big deal. It takes a little bit more than that to plan a truly memorable soiree, as author Deborah Davis details in Party of the Century: The Fabulous Story of Truman Capote and His Black and White Ball (Wiley, $24.95). It’s an intoxicating book that touches on the history of everything from masked balls of the 1300s to ’60s socialites, one of whom loved Pilates. You won’t mind the champagne hangover.
Giddy with the success of his groundbreaking In Cold Blood, Capote planned the ultimate party in 1966 — not so much to celebrate, but to solidify his standing in society. The ball was all anybody would talk about for months beforehand, and it filled newspapers afterward. A year later, it was on the cover of Esquire magazine.
No event since has surpassed the Black and White Ball (although Davis points out that Sean “Diddy” Combs has tried).
Where did Capote’s party go right — and what can you take away for your next bash?
IT HAD A SMASHING THEME
The nation was still charmed by the black-and-white Ascot scenes from “My Fair Lady,” and Capote gave his guests a chance to costume themselves. Requiring masks was a sadistic challenge. How were New York’s most legendary beauties supposed to obscure their faces while still ensuring they were seen by the right people? (Capote paid 39 cents for his plain black mask at FAO Schwarz.)
IT HAD AN IMPECCABLE GUEST OF HONOR
Capote named Katharine Graham the honoree. The publisher of the Washington Post was recently widowed and needed cheering up. Of course, everyone knew that the evening was all about Capote.
IT WAS EXCLUSIVE
The ballroom at the Plaza Hotel could accommodate 540 guests, so Capote estimated that he made 15,000 enemies. Greta Garbo was invited; Capote’s own father was not. Tallulah Bankhead had to beg for her invitation. Jackie Kennedy declined, but her sister, Lee Radziwill, was there. There were Vanderbilts, Rockefellers, Whitneys, the newlyweds Frank Sinatra and Mia Farrow, and Andy Warhol (who refused to wear a mask). The guest list was a “tour de force of social engineering,” writes Davis.
IT HAD BUZZ
Capote was always his own best promoter. He teased the press with tantalizing tidbits about who would and wouldn’t be at the ball — and then invited the most important columnists as guests themselves, so they’d be sure to write about it.
IT WASN’T PERFECT
Capote’s engraved invitations from Tiffany’s came back with typos, but there was no time to fix them — so he just crossed out the wrong address in pen and scribbled in the right one. And then there was the buffet. For such a fancy occasion, he chose some interesting dishes: his favorite chicken hash, and spaghetti and meatballs. Needless to say, the socialites in couture white gowns didn’t go near the spaghetti.
Anyway, enough of that! Let’s move on to Truman Capote. The first person that called my attention to Capote was Robert Lynscott, an editor of ours who I had met when I was selling books in Boston. He was a top editor at Houghton Mifflin. We became friends, and I tried for years to lure him down to New York and finally succeeded. He was with us for quite a long time. One blessed day he read or somebody told him about a story that had appeared in Mademoiselle Magazine, called “Miriam” by an unknown called Truman Capote.
That was the first story that Capote ever did?
Yes. And what a fine story it is! It has such depth and haunting quality! We asked Truman Capote to come and see us.
Well, that was a day when Truman arrived at Random House! He had bangs in those days. He’s, to put it mildly, not the usual type. Nobody could believe it when this young prodigy waltzed in. He was a child. He was about eighteen.
He looks so young.
Well, can you imagine what he looked like when he was eighteen? That was over twenty years ago. He was gay and happy and absolutely assured. We said that we wanted to publish anything that he wrote. He was writing a novel, and we made a contract for it immediately. It was called Other Voices, Other Rooms.
It was an immediate success. Everybody knew that somebody important had arrived upon the scene–particularly Truman! My wife Phyllis adopted Truman immediately. He then already was exhibiting that charm which has proved so irresistible. Today he’s a society favorite. Truman decides what yacht he’s going to spend a vacation on or what house he’s going to honor with his company and people are overjoyed to have him.
What is the charm though?
It’s irresistible. I’ll tell you about that as he developed.
Other Voices came out and we used the now-famous photograph of him, reclining with his bangs on a couch. It was great publicity. It’s ludicrously simple to get publicity for Truman Capote. To give you an example, about a week before Other Voices was published–mind you, this was his first book–my friend Richard Simon from Simon and Schuster called me up and said, “How the hell do you get a full-page picture of an author in Life Magazine before his first book comes out?” I said, “Do you think that I’m going to tell you? Does Macy’s tell Gimbel’s?” Dick said, “Come on. How did you wrangle that–to get a full-page picture of an author whose novel is not yet published?”
I said, “Dick, I have no intention of telling you.” He hung up in sort of a huff; and I hung up too and cried, “For god’s sake, get me a copy of Life.” This was the first that I knew about the whole affair! That, in a nutshell, explains Truman Capote. He managed to promote for himself a full-page picture in Life Magazine. How he did it, I don’t know to this day, but that was Truman.
When his book came out, Truman immediately developed a feud with another ridiculously young author named Gore Vidal, a feud which has persisted over the years. I remember one of Truman’s famous lines, which won him another burst of publicity. He said, “Gore Vidal calls himself a boy genius. Nonsense! He’s twenty if he’s a day.” Now they both have become great successes but they still pick away at each other.
Gore has often said, “I’ll come to Random House if you get rid of Capote.” When Truman gets fancy, I say, “We’re going to sign up Vidal,” and he goes into a mock rage. You know, he’s half kidding, but he’d really be furious if we ever did sign Gore Vidal.
Well, the book came out, and the next time that I saw Truman wafting into the office he said that Vogue Magazine had called him up; they wanted him to go to Hollywood for two weeks to write his impressions of Hollywood–by a young writer who had never been there. They offered him $2,000 and expenses for two weeks. Truman demanded cash immediately. He wanted twenty one-hundred-dollar bills. Truman is that way. He brought them in. He had them rolled up with a rubber band around them, and he rolled them across the desk to me. He said, “Look what I’ve got.” He said, “Wait until they see the expense account that I’m going to run up.” He went to Hollywood for the first time. I couldn’t wait to hear his story because by this time we had adopted Truman. He was just beginning to know people. Everybody who met him adopted him immediately. He came back after his two weeks in Hollywood and reported to me. He said, “I’ve got my expense account made out. It’s a whopper, too, but I actually didn’t spend a cent in Hollywood.” I said, “What do you mean?” He said, “I spent the first week with Greta Garbo and the second week with Charlie Chaplin.” I said, “Truman, I know what a liar you are after knowing you for several months, but this one’s too much.” Truman indignantly said, “Check for yourself.” It was absolutely true. He got to Hollywood. He had a letter of introduction to someone who had a party that night. Greta Garbo met Truman Capote there and took him right home with her! She said, “You’re not going to a hotel. You’re going to stay with me.” After a week, at another party, he met Charlie Chaplin, who kidnapped him from Greta Garbo, and he spent the second week living with Charlie Chaplin.
This is a typical story of Truman Capote. He met Mrs. William (Babe) Paley in similar fashion. Babe immediately invited him somewhere they were going. When Bill Paley met Truman for the first time, he reacted like a lot of men do. He was rather startled by this strange little fellow, but it took Truman about three hours to make Bill Paley his life-long friend and admirer. Today, Babe Paley considers Truman her greatest friend, and this is true of one famous person after another.
At the moment, his great protege is Lee Radziwill. Nobody knows what’s going to happen. We think that it is even possible that they’ll get married one day. She is absolutely wild about Truman, and Jackie Kennedy is furious at Truman because he has transferred his affections from Jackie to her sister. There is great rivalry between these sisters.
To go on with Truman–as he became more and more popular and knew more and more society people, who all adopted him, we had to keep him trying to write because he was so busy going to parties and being the town’s most eligible extra man. He’s the greatest gossip in the world. He knows everything that’s going on, and what he doesn’t know he makes up. You never know whether he’s telling the truth or lying but you listen in fascination. If you catch him in a lie, he laughs happily. He doesn’t care. He admits that he gets carried away with his stories. He’s a mischief-maker. He does much of this with sheer malice aforethought. He loves to get people involved and cause trouble. This is part of his joy. Everybody forgives him of course so he’s become a spoiled little boy.
But talented beyond belief…and proved that he was not only a good novelist but one of the great reporters when he wrote The Muses Are Heard, which is the often hilarious story of the Porgy and Bess troupe in Russia. It was another big success.
Yes, but all of his books before In Cold Blood had never really gotten…
You’re wrong. Breakfast at Tiffany’s hit really the popular note. Now Truman was famous, not only for his books but for his personality because he was a gossip columnist’s delight. He is always up to something that makes good copy.
The party that he gave last year was the social event of the last ten years. The New York Times put in the complete guest list, and to be invited to that party was to be considered having arrived. People who weren’t invited were outraged. People came from Italy, France, Hollywood for this damned party. It was the greatest party of its kind ever given, and Truman was beaming. It cost him a fortune, but he couldn’t have cared less.
We try to keep Truman’s money intact. We dole it out to him in pretty short doses because the minute he gets it he spends it. We kept him from buying a helicopter once. We kept him from buying a house in Long Island that he has as much use for as I have for the Taj Mahal. But it’s very hard to keep tabs on Truman. He’s like Moss was. They have the real philosophy. They believe that money is to be spent.
Maybe they are right.
They are absolutely right.
What’s going to happen tomorrow we don’t know.
Truman lives it up. Oh, boy, does he live it up.
How did you keep him writing when he was busy all of the time?
You can’t keep him from writing. He is a born writer– a pro! He will spend a day on a word. Truman’s a perfectionist, in contrast to John O’Hara, who will stop in the middle of a sentence at night and pick up exactly where he left off the next day. John is that kind of a great writer. Truman’s the kind who must have the perfect word and will spend a day searching for it. I’ve known him to do it. When he has a book finished, it is a gem–a polished gem.
There’s never any editing, is there?
It never needs any. It’s perfect. Of course we’ll catch him on a mistake of fact once in a while or some sentence that we think is a little awkward, but Truman is virtually perfect. Oh, he’s a joy to handle. He’s a professional to his fingertips.
Now let me tell you the story of In Cold Blood. I had lectured at Kansas State University in Manhattan, Kansas. I was there for two days. Besides lecturing, I had spent a day with the English classes. I do that sometimes. I became a great friend of the president of Kansas State–a man named James McCain. He succeeded Milton Eisenhower, who had made Kansas State a top university. He really pulled it up to where it’s better I think than the University of Kansas today.
Jim McCain, when I left–I had made a lot of friends in those two days–said, “We’ve enjoyed having you here; and if ever I can do anything for you, you just let me know.” I laughed merrily and said, “What can you ever do for me in Manhattan, Kansas?” and gaily, off I went.
Well, shortly after that came the murder of the Clutter family–a man and his wife and two children murdered in cold blood in Garden City, Kansas. It was a front-page story all over the country. Local police were going crazy because they had no clues. It was an inside job obviously because the murderers knew where to hide their automobile, how to get into the house and exactly where the wall safe was located. So they figured it must be somebody in the town of Garden City, Kansas. The whole town was suspect.
One day Truman walks into my office and says, “The New Yorker is sending me out to cover that murder case.” I said, “You? In a west Kansas hamlet?” This was the first reaction of everybody–this elegant Mr. Capote going to this small town in Kansas. He got quite indignant at my surprise. He said, “I don’t know a soul in the whole state of Kansas. You’ve got to introduce me to some people in Kansas.” This is what a publisher is for, I guess! Well, this was once that I could deliver the goods. I immediately remembered my friend Dr. McCain at Kansas State. I called him up and I said, “You remember that you said that if I wanted something I should come to you?” He said, “Yes. And I remember your laughing at me too.” I said, “Well, Jim, I apologize. You maybe can do me a great favor. Did you ever know the Clutter family in Garden City?” Jim said, “The Clutters were my close personal friends. I know everybody in Garden City, Kansas.” I said, “You’re an answer to a maiden’s prayer. One of our authors is coming out to write a series of stories for The New Yorker, and I hope that it will be a book. Can he stop off on the way and visit you?” He said, “Who is the author?” I said, “Truman Capote.” Jim McCain echoed me, “Truman Capote? Coming to Kansas?” I said, “Yes.” He thought for a minute. He said, “I’ll make a deal with him. If he’ll spend one night talking to the English department, I’ll give him letters to half the people in Garden City.” I said, “I accept for Truman right now. Great! He’s bringing a young assistant with him. She’s a girl who will have to be put up too. I’ve never met her. I think she may be some distant relation of Truman. Nobody ever heard of her.” It was…
The To Kill a Mockingbird girl–Harper Lee.
Correct! But she was still unknown at this time. I told Jim, “Before you spring Truman Capote on your English faculty, for god’s sake, tip them off. Their first inclination will be to laugh at him. Tell them to listen carefully, and in one hour they will be at his feet. Don’t worry about that. Don’t let that first impression fool you. He will capture your faculty with the ease of somebody capturing butterflies.”
Truman and Harper Lee went out to Manhattan. Two days later Jim called me up. He said, “I want to report on the visit of Mr. Capote and the little girl that was with him. They are both great. It’s lucky you warned me about Truman, though, because he came waltzing in with a pink velvet coat on and announced, ‘I bet I’m the first man that has ever come to Manhattan, Kansas wearing a Dior jacket.’” McCain said, “I’ll go you one better, Mr. Capote. You’re the first man or woman who ever came to Manhattan, Kansas wearing a Dior jacket.”
McCain continued, “I took him in to meet the faculty. I had told them what you said. I must now tell you that Truman left this morning with Miss Lee on the Santa Fe to go to Garden City, and the entire faculty got up to see him off at 6:30 this morning.” I said, “I told you.” He said, “I might as well finish my confession. Mrs. McCain and I got up too.” At six o’clock in the morning they all got up to see Truman off!
He got out to Garden City, where the head of the Kansas Bureau of Investigation was a man named Al Dewey. He was going crazy trying to solve this case. He had turned up nothing and people were getting angrier and angrier at him. Suddenly he looks up, and to add to his troubles here’s little Truman Capote arrived to cover the case. Dewey tried to throw him out of Garden City. Two weeks later, Truman was living at the Dewey house. Today Truman Capote is seeing the two Dewey kids through college, and the Deweys and everybody else
in Garden City adore him. Of course Al Dewey has become nationally famous because of that book, and Truman provided valuable help in solving that whole case.
The minute that the two boys who were guilty were captured, who became their best friend in the world? Truman Capote. Before they died, Perry, the one who was a poet, gave Truman his whole collection of books and all of his poetry. He was the one who insisted that Truman be the witness. Each man was allowed one witness at the execution. Truman had to go to that double hanging. By this time, Truman had become very close with his new editor at Random House after Linscott retired. That was Joe Fox. Joe Fox today is one of Truman’s closest friends. He made Joe come out to go with him to the execution. Joe was horrified, but he had to do it. The scene is all depicted in the movie, as you know. You’ve seen the picture, haven’t you?
No. I’ve read the book though.
Just before the execution, Perry demanded that Truman come over and say good-bye to him on the scaffold; and he threw his arms around Truman and kissed him good-bye and said, “I’m so sorry.” Truman collapsed, as I or anybody else would have. Joe had a time later with Truman. Both of them were in a state of collapse.
Would you say that some of the charm of Capote is that he has such a heart? The word isn’t heart. You said that he’s seeing the Dewey children through college.
Oh, this is Truman.
This is something that I don’t think that people necessarily know. Even I don’t. How do you explain the affection he inspires in so many busy and important people?
Irresistible charm. When Truman comes up to our house alone, as he sometimes does in the summer, I announce very angrily that I am not going to sit up all night listening to his gossip, half made up and mostly shocking. I say to Phyllis, “You sit up if you want. At one o’clock, I’m going to go to bed.” Phyllis says, “All right. You go to bed. I’ll sit up with him.” I never go to bed. I can’t tear myself away. I’m always afraid that I’m going to miss something. Truman starts in usually at dinner, waving his arms around and telling his scandalous stories about everybody under the sun. I can’t tear myself away. Nor can anybody else.
Often the people that carry the stories, the gossips… it’s usually about all of the other people that they know and they make their enemies.
He has no enemies.
That’s it. Why is that?
To show you how close he is…after In Cold Blood came out and was, of course, a sensation…and the four installments in The New Yorker.
Oh, I was just glued to it. We got The New Yorker the next two weeks.
We were outraged that so many people were reading it in The New Yorker.
It didn’t make any difference.
Well, it was The New Yorker editors‘idea. They started it.
I don’t think that it hurt the sale. Do you?
Sure it did.
I think that more people who read the magazine pieces wanted to read the book.
The book was an enormous, number one best-seller from the day that it was published, and the first two or three weeks sold about 50,000 copies a week. You never saw anything like it. Truman basked in all this. Oh, how he loved the publicity. He knew precisely how to handle it. He’s superb at publicizing himself.
You were going to try to tell me how people get close to him. What do you mean?
He winds himself into your heart, and he begins telling you stories about things that you like to hear. Suddenly you find yourself telling him things that you shouldn’t.
But he is dependable. Phyllis says that if you tell him something that really is in confidence, you can count on him. I don’t know, but she says that you can. She says, “I’ve done it. I’ve told him a few things that I haven’t even told you, testing him. When Truman tells you that he’s going to keep a confidence, he can and does.”
Do you think that women get closer to him than men?
The funny thing about Truman is that he wins both women and men.
That’s funny. I don’t understand.
He’s the type of fellow who does get close to women, but he does it with men too. You see, I love him too. Bill Paley loves him too. He certainly is closer to Babe Paley and my wife than he is to Bill and me, but we both love him. When Truman comes to the house, I am always delighted to see him although he sometimes annoys me by his throwing his arms around me and calling me “Great White Father” and “Big Daddy” and all of that stuff. I say, “For Pete’s sake, cut that out.” But I rather like it anyhow when Truman does it. I love him.
You would think that a man might be repulsed by him a bit or that a woman might.
Not when you know him.
Well, some time In Cold Blood came out, Truman brought the whole Garden City contingent to New York City. Being Truman, he arranged a series of parties for them. Truman is now at the point where he can call up Phyllis and say, “You’re giving a party on Wednesday, December 19 and these are the people that you’re going to have.” Then he’ll call up Babe Paley and say, “You’re giving the party on the thirteenth and these are the people that you are going to have. This is the seating arrangement.” It’s the great Mr. Capote talking: They religiously obey him. We had this party for the Deweys, and he dictated who came and who sat with whom. Everybody gave parties when Truman ordered them, and that’s when he gave his famous ball at the Plaza himself. At this time he was still living in a house in Brooklyn Heights and the schedule proved arduous even for Mr. Capote–going home every night at about 2:30 a.m. so that for these two weeks he lived in our house in our guest room. The people from Garden City were in an absolute daze. They were meeting everybody from the President of the United States down. Mrs. Kay Graham, head of Newsweek and the Washington Post, gave the big party for them in Washington by order of Truman. All they met down there was the President, the Secretary of State, and every other V.I.P. under the sun.
One night Phyllis said to him, “Truman, even you can’t stand this pace.” Truman said, “Well, I am tired. Tomorrow night I’m packing them off to the theater.” He ordered somebody to give them a theater party for some show that he had seen about six times. He said, “I’m going to bed. I’m going over to Brooklyn Heights and I’m going to sleep for fifteen hours.” The next afternoon, I watched him going off with his little bag to “go home to sleep for fifteen hours.” I said to Phyllis, “What do you bet that something is going to happen and he’s not going to bed?” Phyllis said, “Do you think I’m crazy? Of course something is going to happen. It’s Truman.” Well, Truman went off to his home in Brooklyn Heights. The next night we met at one of the parties. I said, “How much sleep did you get last night?” He giggled happily and said, “Well, I didn’t get much.” Here’s what happened. He arrived home and there was a girl waiting for him in his house, a girl who had a key to his apartment, and was upstairs painting when he arrived, waiting for him to come home. That girl was Jacqueline Kennedy. It was just about the anniversary of the assassination–two years or three years–I’ve forgotten which–after the assassination. She was very low. Who did she turn to? Her great friend Truman Capote. As Phyllis said, “That was one place where she knew she was safe alone.” The Secret Service were in a car waiting below. Truman went to the icebox and found two bottles of the best champagne on ice. The two of them together killed these two great big bottles of champagne and sat up practically all night talking. At about five in the morning, Jackie went down to her car and went home with the Secret Service people.
That’s the life of Truman Capote. Isn’t that fantastic. Think of it. Going home and finding sitting there calmly painting, completely at home, of all people in the world, Jacqueline Kennedy;
Is he working on anything now?
He is indeed. He’s writing a novel called Answered Prayers, which is a wonderful title. He’s great at titles– Breakfast at Tiffany’s, In Cold Blood. They’re perfect titles. But the “answered prayers” comes I think from St. Theresa, who said that the worst kind of prayers are answered prayers. This is really a story of three or four girls who started with very little except magnificent faces and bodies– very smart girls–who today are reigning society queens, married to millionaires. Knowing Truman, he would know the models. I said, “Truman, some of your best friends aren’t going to talk to you after this.” Truman said, “Oh, I’m too smart for that.” He’ll have them all mixed up so that each one will know who it is except themselves. Of course they all know he’s doing it, and they’re waiting with some trepidation.
Did he ever suggest…? I know that Harper “Lee was published by Lippincott.
She didn’t want to come to Random House.
You never saw the book?
I never saw the book because she thought that we’d take it just to please Truman and she wanted to make it on her own. Damn it all, she took it to Lippincott:
But apparently that book had a lot of work done on it too.
Yes. As a matter of fact, if she had brought it to us, it may not have turned out as well as it did. It would have depended on who became the editor. I think that it’s one of the finest novels of recent years.
Of course Truman is in it. There is a little boy who comes up from New Orleans and makes up great tales about all of the famous people that he’s met. It’s Truman, obviously Truman. When you’ve met Truman and read this book again, you realize that it’s absolutely accurate and a faithful picture of him as a little boy. He’s been that way all of his life. He tells about some of his early years in Other Voices, Other Rooms.
His mother is a perfectly plain, normal person and so is his step-father. They live on Park Avenue. She can’t understand how she produced something like Truman Capote. Of course he treats her with amused tolerance.
Have you ever felt when reading Capote’s work–I think maybe with the exception of In Cold Blood–that his treatment of women…I mean, even in “Miriam,” every one is making fun of the women and the role.
No. I don’t agree with you. As a matter of fact, Holly Golightly is a very charming girl in Breakfast at Tiffany’s. If you remember the way that Audrey Hepburn played it in the movie, it was with utter charm.
Of course when David Merrick tried to make a musical of it, it was a disaster. It never even came to New York, as you know. That happened with the next Merrick show too, Mata Hari. I saw him the other night and said, “How is the show that you’re bringing in Thursday, Happy Times?” Very defensively he said, “At least I’m going to open it.” I hear that it’s not very good. Well, I guess we’ve devoted enough time to Mr. Capote.